Max vs Lewis: Who's at Fault? | The F1 Breakdown | Italian Grand Prix
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The Italian Grand Prix was an incredible race! But the Max vs Lewis crash was a contentious moment that needs breaking down. So let's go over it, who's fault was it?

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  • Driver61
    Driver61

    What do you think? Would love a discussion about this, just keep it nice! Check our Fuel For Fans here: bit.ly/DR61XFFF4 Do subscribe! We are going to be releasing many more of these breakdowns in the near future!

    • ZoltanF1LH
      ZoltanF1LH

      Lewis left space for Max because he knows Max will just crash into him otherwise.

    • ReachBlows Dick
      ReachBlows Dick

      @AMEN_RA People Of The Sun - No Lewis hit Max on the rear, if he was side by side the impact would be different. Lewis tried to dive bomb Max and hit his rear, that's an automatic error and Lewis was penalized for it. You defend Lewis even when he's wrongfully caused a crash, you're a bias Lewis fanatic and you'll defend him even if he pulls a gun and shoots Max. When Lewis goes for an opening you call it racing, when Max goes for an opening you call it reckless, lol! Like I said, you'll defend Lewis no matter what. You're not a racing fan, you're a Lewis Hamilton fan, you can't talk to people like you. When Lewis is pressured he panics and pushes drivers off, he did it to Massa, Alonso, Vettle, Kimi, Nico in the past, and he's doing it to the young drivers like Albon, Perez and Max. Lewis is just as reckless as Max when he has to fight for a championship. You can hash tag all the "No Hate" BS you want, you showed your true colors, you're a racist fanatic and judge people on the color of their skin. You're an embarrassment to your family and F1 fans, shame on you.

    • AMEN_RA People Of The Sun
      AMEN_RA People Of The Sun

      @ReachBlows Dick Max Verstappen stappen cause the crash at Silverstone not Lewis... Max left a big gap open on the inside of the corner and Lewis (just like all real racers would do) drove into it... When Max realized that Lewis toke that chance, Max panicked and became reckless drove in to the inside corner and got lifted... Max is a good driver, but he has one problem and that is he panicked, become reckless and crasches... Sooner or later he Max Verstappen might crash and leaving the crash scene for not getting blqmed🧑🏼 #NoHate just #Fact🐸☕

    • ReachBlows Dick
      ReachBlows Dick

      @AMEN_RA People Of The Sun - In 2011 alone Hamilton crashed into drivers 7 times leaving Lewis with penalties. This is because Lewis had to fight for points, after 2013 Lewis' & Nico's V6 Mercedes were clearly the only cars racing and this greatly reduced Lewis' confrontations with other drivers. If Max had the V6 Mercedes since 2014-2020, Max would hardly ever have any contact with any driver because he would be too fast and this would lower his crashes. The only thing Lewis has proven is that if he has the only car fast enough to win, he'll crash less than anyone, but if he has to fight with another driver, Lewis will crash as if it was his first year in F1. This season has proven that Lewis is just as reckless as Max if he has to fight a car that's as fast as his.

    • ReachBlows Dick
      ReachBlows Dick

      @AMEN_RA People Of The Sun - If if deaths are a concern, Lewis nearly killed Max at Silverstone and Lewis was deemed by the officials as responsible. Some food for thought you racist fool.

  • ROCKY.B THE CHANNEL
    ROCKY.B THE CHANNEL

    WTF is this 😅 Lewis being a gentleman of a racer and he's not aggressive enough? what a joke. When he's aggressive, you say he's too aggressive. WTF is wrong with y'all? That was clear who's to blame for the crash. But i guess when one wants to please the crashtappen fanboys all you gotta do is blame Hamilton every time there's a crash

  • Lord Satan
    Lord Satan

    Max i a gifted driver but he is a dangerous driver at times.

  • Kay Draven
    Kay Draven

    Prior to this i thought it was open and close.... lewis's line he had the corner. Now im not so sure.... i get the miscommunication .... there enough space for a bat out of hell chance.... lewis had'nt closed the door properly. Not so one sided anymore.

  • Gordon N
    Gordon N

    Ok the camera angle is bad but it sure looked like Hamilton cut the pit exit line to push Max wide.

    • ROCKY.B THE CHANNEL
      ROCKY.B THE CHANNEL

      you're dreaming mate, wake up

  • Vuyo Boltina
    Vuyo Boltina

    Pushing Max out earlier would have resulted in another Silverston, where Max wouldn't budge wider

  • Paul Roberts
    Paul Roberts

    It seems here that Lewis should have been more aggressive but instead he is trying to race fairly with Max when he would not do the same thing. So should Hamilton be more aggressive like Max or should Max be less aggressive like Lewis? Lewis is a 7 time world champion. Max is a great driver but he is sometimes reckless

  • Peter Canada
    Peter Canada

    That explanation is a cop out. Let’s be real. The Sausage Curb is there for a reason. To prevent drivers from attempting exactly what Max tried to do. You can’t say that Max had room to make that inside turn. Lewis had the proper line to take the inside. Mad Max knew he couldn’t make it and he knew that once Lewis did , he could just about kiss the win goodbye. So rather than let Lewis have it. He decided to purposely ram into Lewis. Max is a great driver with the temper of a two year old. That temper tantrum could’ve caused Lewis his life if it weren’t for the Halo. Max needs to realize they’re 19 other F1 drivers on the track with Balls.

  • jim crossland
    jim crossland

    in the whole race all verstappen did was try to run hamilton off, on the corner they collided verstappen should have been actually banned for the rest of the season it was no more than actually attempted murder. Like you said verstappen was angry at a bad pit stop and just went out to take lewis out of the race so he cant win the drivers championship

  • Kimberly Jacobsen
    Kimberly Jacobsen

    So if Lewis was not aggressive enough. Are you saying he is getting old 😜

  • Justice Day
    Justice Day

    To me it is very clear...not subjective at all - Verstappen. Ya can't fit an F1 car through the eye of a needle...good to see they both came out of it unscathed.

  • G18ALA
    G18ALA

    Looks like we have a max fanboi. To try and a portion blame to Hamilton for racing fairly (making the apex) is astonishing. Especially after all the crap he took for missing the apex at silverstone. Max simply should have backed out but he is too thick to see beyond the corner in front of him. That’s why he will never become a great of the sport.

  • Corrie Jacobs
    Corrie Jacobs

    Lewis just got back what he always do to other drivers

  • Victor Bermudez
    Victor Bermudez

    We all want to see overtakes but going on the outside is so risky that drives don't try, and if they do, they end up out of the track. Being agressive doesn't mean necessarily that you have to push the other driver out. In sim-racing, squeezing the other car out of the track is not allowed. I'm surprised that it's allowed in F1 where the risk of the death is higher. I don't like to see accidents, nor people risking their lives. I like to see people that is able to control the car to milimetrical level at 300km/h without touching other cars.

  • Alexandre Fernandes
    Alexandre Fernandes

    I find it strange that after such an insightful analysis you claim this to be a racing accident. Clearly Hamilton did no wrong (by your own words he was actually not aggressive enough) so how can this be anything but Max's fault? One driver was clean, driving in his line, racing ahead. The other dove into an impossible situation, searching for a potential grey area and lost control of his car... For me it's pretty obvious really.

    • Rob
      Rob

      I bet if Lewis was more aggressive like he said. He would of got a penalty for the crash.

  • Mihails Akulenkovs
    Mihails Akulenkovs

    As some current and ex-drivers said, sausage kerb should be replaced by grass and gravel, as it was in old days. Gravel slows and destabilizes the car enought so that you as a driver would try to avoid it, and it doesn't damage the car and doesn't acts as a trampoline like a sausage kerb. Wasn't it for sausage kerb, Max would have cut 2nd corner, as Lewis would have pushed him out of the track, and Max later would have been told to let Lewis pass if his move on Lewis would had stuck going out of the corner.

  • Mangboi Thought
    Mangboi Thought

    Viewing your analysis you are clearly an Max Verstappen fan and don't want to point a finger at him. You even mention Hamilton making an error at the end of you analysis and giving Verstappen a pass.

  • MUZ
    MUZ

    Pretty obvious Verstappen was at fault seeing as he was trying to pass when there wasn't enough room to?

  • alida flus
    alida flus

    5:33 That is nonsense... Do you even hear their radios during races when stuff like that happens?

  • SCHLOEX
    SCHLOEX

    love your videos and your insights, keep it up man! quick question - in your opinion, does the penalty max got for this incident stand in a fair relation to the penalty lewis got in silverstone? because i have the feeling its been blown a little bit out of proportion considering the speed at which those two accidents occured. imo HAM didnt even get a penalty, considering he still won the race after almost offing one of his collegues...

    • alida flus
      alida flus

      GP.

  • Oware Siaw
    Oware Siaw

    Max a reckless driver. He will kill someone one day if he doesn't stop that madness. He wont win anything with this nonsense. Am furious.

  • THE BOSS
    THE BOSS

    I AM A FERRARI My Thought process of this is only one issue Lewis Hamilton was on frech tire's not yet racing temperature so he was sepose to make way as his gripp is not all there

  • Alex Georgakoulis
    Alex Georgakoulis

    Much better than Palmer's analysis for F1 channel! Well said mate!

  • dusty
    dusty

    I think I would totally agree, but the fact that Verstappen did push himself through that gap as it completely sealed up at the apex is a reason for a penalty, even if it is a small one like 3 places, and i think thats why it was given. you dont take a sausage curb alongside another driver and not expect a crash when you dont slow down tremendously.

  • Luke Stannett
    Luke Stannett

    Difficult because Hamilton got the penalty at Silverstone because he missed the apex.

  • David Dredge
    David Dredge

    Analyse as much as you want but fact is a life could have been lost by such over-aggressive driving.

  • Legierwen
    Legierwen

    I've a feeling thet even if he had close ghe door earlier in T1 Ver would still cause an accident and called it an unfair move by ham. Respect to both drivers, but i think this is the game red bull wants to play

  • Philip Hartman
    Philip Hartman

    Rosberg had said one time that Lewis is very good at placing the car in grey areas. I can't remember if it was a podcast or after that famous Vettel second place in Canada. Looking back at that Canada event, imo Hamilton could've just passed Vettel on the inside. I'm not suggesting Hamilton is consciously forcing these penalties in his favour, because like Driver61 said, in the moment, drivers are just thinking about that corner. I guess my point is, Hamilton is subconsciously very good at putting his car in grey areas that gives him penalties in his favour.

  • Paul B
    Paul B

    I blame the inventor of the halo device for this travesty

  • Stu Crossland
    Stu Crossland

    Max never yields.

  • Tesla Trev
    Tesla Trev

    racing incident

  • Bob Curtis
    Bob Curtis

    The day Max Verstppen proved that Red Bull doesn’t give you wings.

  • QBELLATORQ
    QBELLATORQ

    11:30 is the most amount of spin you could put on this to say Hamilton should / could have done more. Can’t agree with this at all, if you check Giovinazzi on the first lap, he had the same issue as max but avoided crashing. Max’s fault 100%

  • Gary Smith
    Gary Smith

    Interesting analysis - from the start Max knew it was an opportunistic move, he also knew what he had done to Lewis earlier, so whilst I agree as a racing driver you will go for a gap, if you do that then you need to be able to bail out when it is clear that you aren't going to make it. It seems pretty evident to me that Max could have braked to limit the impact of the sausage kerbs, or could have bailed into the run off area. I get that he will look for every opportunity, but he must have known that this was 'an accident waiting to happen' if he carried on. Damon Hill called it a 'professional foul' and I'm afraid that I think their is an element of this. Max had to get by Lewis and messed up. He deserved at least a 3 place grid penalty as it was utterly avoidable.

  • demolitiondaz22
    demolitiondaz22

    Boring

  • I E
    I E

    I think you missed a vital point not mentioning Verstappen's radio message immediately after the crash: "That's what happens if you don't *give* me space". MV wasn't thinking "Wow, there's a possible gap but it's tight, I'm going to take it but it might not come off". No, instead he was thinking "I deserve this space, you need to know your place and get out of my way". That sense of entitlement pervades all of his driving, is what leads to outcomes like this, and also drives the petulance we saw after their collision at the British GP.

  • Kido Mark
    Kido Mark

    Agreed. It’s interesting how different opinions are from current and ex racers to TV viewers. Normal people will just never understand.

  • Shovel Guggelheim
    Shovel Guggelheim

    Just a couple of points that I would like cleared up. The first corner that you describe you assume that Max deliberately drove to the outside where to me it seems like they both braked that late that it was pure physics that took him out there. Point two is that a couple of crashes a go the Mercedes team were blaming Max because they said that when the guy on the inside has his front wheel beyond the half way point of the other car then the guy on the outside has to give him racing room. In this case, whilst Max started on the outside, by the time they crashed they were into the next corner and Max was on the inside and clearly had his front wheel more than half way. The evidence that Max was on the inside was the fact that his car flew to the right rather than the left and ended up on the front of Lewis's car showing that he was both in front and on the inside. Just my theory.

  • TheRastaYouth
    TheRastaYouth

    Wow... Not once during your video you apportioned any fault or blame to MV, but you blame #SirLH44 for leaving less than a car's width for Crashtappen to foolishly try to wedge himself between. Just like you said at 02:00 with them coming out of turn 3, when the positions were reversed. You said Lewis had no where to go, hence using the runoff... your commentary had several statements that were contradictory in nature...why didn't you suggest that MV do the same later on in the race? All Crashtappen had to do was use the runoff area when he realized he over_compensated going into turn 2 at 06:10... He would've ended behind the Merc for sure, but his race would've continued with more opportunities for over taking.. but apparently MV doesn't have the confidence in himself to race behind #SirLH44 and challenge for a pass, seems like he's hell-bent on getting ahead by any wreckless means necessary. Then you end your video after you chalked it up to a racing incident...all the while being subtle about blaming the 7 time world champion. #SirLH44 #stillwerise

  • G.G. Baxter
    G.G. Baxter

    I'm my opinion Lewia has done nothing wrong, precedent says he acted fairly as the stewards had previously deemed Max's defenses within the rules and we want consistency. I get he perhaps could be more aggressive but having just come out of the pits and on cold tyres it's clear he wants the best run out of turn 2. Max on the other hand has made a clear misjudgement. Even if Lewis leaves more space it's unlikely he's going to make the move stick. Even on cold tyres Lewis likely gets a better run out of t2. Max should have expected there to be no room and done the double switch back. If he gets the better run out of two, he easily makes the pass into four. Is it enough for a pen, I'm not sure, and glad it was a small one. The only reason I would side on a pen is because Lewis has bailed twice before and taken the pain for trying an overly optimistic move on a driver too good to allow it. Max for me tries to stick it out too long and refuses to conceed that he's not pulled it off. And I think Max's body language, even if his words didnt, alluded to him accepting it too when ask about Imola and T4 in the post race interviews

  • Phil Barrett
    Phil Barrett

    Verstappen wasn't at fault as such but in almost identical situations, Hamilton backed out every time this year.

  • rvdvogt
    rvdvogt

    Excellent analysis. Exactly right - I think. But according to James Allison's (Mercedes engineering boss) opinion after the Silverstone '21 incident it should have been Lewis's mistake. Basically James said at the time - by the way that video is nowhere to be found anymore - that the FIA rules state that if a driver is "significantly alongside" on the inside (of the bend) the corner is his/hers. Now James mentioned this in regard of the Silverstone incident and by doing so implied that it was Verstappens fault that the Silverstone contact actually happened. And the stewards - or Micheal Masi, or both - agreed in their verdict that both drivers were responsible. But Lewis a little bit more - hence the 10 second penalty. So, if all this is correct - and please scold me when I'm wrong - I would say that Max was "significantly alongside" on the inside of turn two; and so the corner was his to take!? Lewis was at fault and should have left room for Max - just like he did after the start when Lando was alongside. But the stewards or Micheal Masi or both decided otherwise again and issued a penalty to Max which is in no way comparable to the 10 seconds Lewis had to endure at Silverstone. I'm lost.

  • K K
    K K

    You guys will do anything to excuse Max Verstappen. Seven-time F1 world champion doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt from UZmilk guys🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣ok

  • Anssi Helminen
    Anssi Helminen

    100% Verstappens fault. It was either overly optimistic try, or then he just wanted end the race for both. Even if Hamilton was not super aggressive in the first right hand corner, Max knew that there would not be room for both in the next turn. Lewis took the normal racing line as he was supposed to do, since he was clearly ahead. It would have made no sense to compromise the driving line and leave door open for Max.

  • Richard Mclachlan
    Richard Mclachlan

    No way Lewis, slower, getting a blue flag for being slower and thus not allowed to block Max going full tilt down the straight... gave Max a car width before the corner.. There was no way for Max to safely continue on his line, and go down the outside. This caused Max to move out off the track, slow ever so slightly, meaning Lewis was first into the turn. First into the turn, with the right to own the corner, but... he hadn't claimed that right fairly. So Max went... fuck this guy... and held his line as if they had been right beside each other, which he would have been if Lewis hadn't blocked him. The problem is, you can't do that. Even though Lewis had arguably broken the rules, it doesn't mean if coming to the next corner if Max is behind, he can act as if they were beside each other, thus when it comes to the cause of the crash, he was predominantly to blame. In truth? Lewis created the situation where Max would do this, by not leaving room. It's the 2nd time they've crashed because Hamilton refused to leave the room he should have, in the race to the corner. Max should have avoided the crash, but I get it. I doubt Lewis would have been punished for the illegal block, it was too marginal so he took matters into his own hands. Just a heads up Lewis. Expect this for the rest of the season. If you stick a wheel up the inside, if you leave 9/10s of a car width to make it look like you left enough room when you know full well you didn't.... Max is going to crash into you.

  • sami myllykangas
    sami myllykangas

    n.. error

  • Geraint Williams
    Geraint Williams

    Your smoking crack mate... Verstappen knew exactly what he was doing.. He carried more speed into that turn than he did on other laps before it... He was clearly heard on thr radio raging about the pit.. He dived bomb into the corner trying to get ahead of Hamilton which clearly didn't.. Hamilton was always gonna hit the apex of that corner.. And verstappen knew it.. He made a calculated judgement that if he went for the corner he would shove Hamilton wide or take his car out.. Or both.. But both a win win has he new Hamilton would have had the pace to clearly make up the 5points to over haul... Verstappen too aggressive and will get someone killed..

  • QuantumS1ngularity
    QuantumS1ngularity

    For me it was just driver's error by Max. There have been similar and even more intense duels in that chicane before, which ended w/o crash. But that's the allure of Monza - it's a game of nerves and psychology.

  • Nomi Malone
    Nomi Malone

    Max was going 60kph faster than Lewis. Max is not going to slam on the brakes way earlier than necessary just to politely file in behind Hamilton. Bummer because seeing them battle it out for the entire race could've been very exciting racing.

    • carlos neway
      carlos neway

      there is no point in arguing the host is British and a lulu fanboi and as we all know Mercedes is powered by maFIA

  • Nick Castings
    Nick Castings

    I like Max, but I do think he was at fault here, but I’m not a professional F1 driver, so what do I know.

  • doug22231
    doug22231

    My Question is why does Max think everyone is supposed to get out of his way? Dont get me wrong this I hate to say it is what F1 needs right now but damn he needs to relax a bit.

  • MrShadowofthewind
    MrShadowofthewind

    Exactly, Hamilton made the same mistake Verstappen did in Brasil with Ocon, leave a gab then close it off.

  • dolita windo
    dolita windo

    9:50 Is there really space there? With the trajectory of Hamilton’s car it’s clear that there will be no room to pass without going off track

  • smurfiennes blue
    smurfiennes blue

    Lulu has made mistakes only with racers whom are/were posing a threat to his championship like Max or Nico

    • dolita windo
      dolita windo

      the long straight. Verdtappen, even if he saw a slight opportunity, could’ve backed out at any point but wanted to prove a point, so for me the penalty is correct. I think Hamilton

  • WardeN
    WardeN

    Max was 100% at fault.

  • RWoody1995
    RWoody1995

    I also think racing incident (since margins were so tight that while you can't blame max for attempting an overtake he believed to be on, you also can't blame lewis for not giving more space since theres hardly any space for him to give in the first place) but I don't really see how you can expect another driver to go off track in normal circumstances, run off is there to provide a safe area to go to after a mistake has been made. Key word being *mistake* meaning something has happened that *shouldn't* ideally happen, I think you should treat track limits as if there is a wall there because even if it is completely clear, once a car goes off everything is off the table, whether that driver tries to reenter safely or not they could reenter in an unpredictable way.

  • Fuck Xi JinPOOH Va-china
    Fuck Xi JinPOOH Va-china

    For the german car team, it's Bottas' fault - ask White Wolff and James...

  • Andrew Stacey
    Andrew Stacey

    Can anyone remember the last time Max took an escape road?

    • Andrew Stacey
      Andrew Stacey

      @Ryan B or crashes 😂

    • Ryan B
      Ryan B

      The GOAT doesnt need to take to escpae roads, he bullies Lewis into backing off, like a boss.

  • David Kerwood
    David Kerwood

    !00% agree. Good analysis..

  • rdspam
    rdspam

    “Who’s Fault?” ?? Sacrificed grammar for space?

  • Clem Hart
    Clem Hart

    So your logic is that it wasn't Ver fault cause he unlike Ham wasn't an a$$? #fanboy

  • Red boy
    Red boy

    5:33 That is nonsense... Do you even hear their radios during races when stuff like that happens?

    • dolita windo
      dolita windo

      Make a video comparing overtakes before and after DRS, please!

  • David Gapp
    David Gapp

    Verstappen apologist. Verstappen forces Hamilton off track? That's okay. Verstappen refuses to go off track? That's a racing incident. No, it isn't. Verstappen routinely forces drivers off-track so he should be perfectly aware of what is happening because it's a technique he uses all the time. So this incident was 100% Verstappen's fault. Brilliant driver though he is, Verstappen still lacks maturity and common sense.

  • Ian J
    Ian J

    Awesome analysis coming from a driver's point of view.

  • bent andre
    bent andre

    i am dutch and i am sure a lot of british people will disagree with you. a lot of non british media say its just a race incident and there wasnt any need for a grid penalty...you are a brave man to disagree with his royal highnes sir lewis

  • Donald Smith
    Donald Smith

    Your kidding enough space 🤣 if Max had half a brain he would have taken the slip road and readdressed it instead he took himself out so all racers are Win it or bin it not really smart.

  • G Schaaf
    G Schaaf

    What i think? It was just a Racing incident, however I also think they (FIA) should just let them drive, fast, fair and hard and not punish all Racing incidents

  • MRADER55
    MRADER55

    🤡🤡🤡

  • Adam Holt
    Adam Holt

    I think Hamilton left the space so he didn’t compromise the following straight too much. He was expecting Verstappen to do the classic "cut back" and have better line going into the long straight. Verdtappen, even if he saw a slight opportunity, could’ve backed out at any point but wanted to prove a point, so for me the penalty is correct. I think Hamilton could win this championship purely because of immaturity/arrogance, almost similar to Schumacher. (This comes from someone who is huge Hamilton fan, but thinks Verstappen is the quicker driver in F1 currently!)

  • Fabian N. Leon Medina
    Fabian N. Leon Medina

    Don’t care, hope Sebastian and Mick keep on improving.

  • Adam Holt
    Adam Holt

    I think Hamilton left the space so he didn’t compromise the following straight too much. He was expecting Verstappen to do the classic "cut back" and have better line going into the long straight. Verdtappen, even if he saw a slight opportunity, could’ve backed out at any point but wanted to prove a point, so for me the penalty is correct. I think Hamilton could win this championship purely because of immaturity/arrogance, almost similar to Schumacher. (This comes from someone who is huge Hamilton fan, but thinks Verstappen is the quicker driver in F1 currently!)

  • Alex Manojlovic
    Alex Manojlovic

    Another defender of Max's dangerous attitude, downplaying it, so he'll keep pulling dangerous moves. Well done!! RBR has a place in management for you.

    • MrShadowofthewind
      MrShadowofthewind

      You already forgot silverstone ? That was not Verstappen, that was Hamilton.

  • Alex Manojlovic
    Alex Manojlovic

    "these drivers work at a much higher level than that" Except MaxyPoops the wikkle boy racer. He's a hothead lunatic

  • Alexander Watson
    Alexander Watson

    Really interested why people think racers HAVE to leave room - WHY? they’re there to win and race and as a fan who wants to see hard racing - I don’t want Hamilton to just GIVE him the spot…

  • Stig10001
    Stig10001

    I think it's much, much simpler than this. Verstappen puts his car in such a position where he's virtually saying to the other driver: "either move out of the way, or there's going to be a crash." And then he'll leave it to you to either have that crash or preserve your car and move out of the way. Senna used to do the same thing. The difference being that Senna had many more talents and capabilities and Verstappen doesn't. Verstappen is no Senna. It's just that someone seems to have put it into his head that he is - either himself, Horner, that thug of a father of his, or probably, a mixture of all of them. Up until now people have just been jumping out of the way of Verstappen because they want to stay in the race and preserve their chances. Verstappen now has it in his head that everybody will/should just jump out of his way when he attempts an overtake. Although when I say "overtake", a more accurate descriptor on many occasions would be "shoving someone off". Hamilton has now obviously decided that he's going to stop just jumping out of the way, and decided that he will put it back to Verstappen - okay, I'm not going to just move out of the way, it's back to you to decide whether to have that crash. And Verstappen, having absolutely no concept of self-preservation, causes a crash. That's really all there is to it. Verstappen has for his entire F1 career being using this trick constantly, so when someone opposes it, there are fireworks. On this occasion the overtake just was not there and never was. He was trying to fit his car into a space into which it just would not go. The sensible thing to do would be to pull out of it, but again, Verstappen has no sense of self preservation. A driver with no sense of self preservation is a danger to all other drivers. Having looked back at clips of his time in other formulas, it's quite clear he was doing the same trick since way back. Even in his karting days, he was virtually just shoving people off the track and he still is doing. I think he is very one dimensional. He has the faster car - he would be even further in front if he had used his head at Silverstone and gone wider and lived to fight another day, instead of cutting acutely right, making contact, and exiting the race. Expect more crashes. Hamilton has decided he isn't going to put up with it anymore, Verstappen has decided nothing will change, ergo there will be collisions. All that's left to decide is how serious the collision will be. One of these days, he's either going to seriously maim or kill another driver, himself, or both. Silverstone was the one warning of this he's ever going to get. He hasn't heeded it.

  • Safar and Travel
    Safar and Travel

    Why every one is hasitating to say clearly that crashtappen is at fault. He has a history of crashes & pushing others out of the road & corners. Its going to happen again in Turkey, turn 1 or turn 14.

  • robert topliss
    robert topliss

    Lewis knew what he was doing he wasn't going to win the race but points haven't changed and he has the advantage in the next one. Max was played hook line and sinker a master class in how to win the championship

  • Lunny22
    Lunny22

    What an utter load of nonsense. Because Lewis didn't run him off the road (and also slow himself down in the process increasing the risk of losing the place at the next corner) then it's just a racing incident? Verstappen was going for a gap that was never ever going to be there. There was precisely zero percent chance that the move was going to come off successfully. He never got in front and was never in control of the corner. He had exactly two options. 1, bail out, go over the runoff and try to get a good run for a move at the next corner or 2. Crash into Lewis and hope to be able to keep going himself. He chose option 2. Deliberate and cynical move with only one intention in mind being crash and hope to get lucky. It's made even worse by the fact that Lewis tried much the same thing earlier but was professional enough to realise it wasn't on so didn't try to force the impossible against a petulant child.

  • Jamie Smith
    Jamie Smith

    Great commentary. What? No instant replay? Whoever is in the lead has the benefit of doubt for he can not see behind him. Passing on a narrow switch-back was pretty presumptuous even for my favorite driver, Lewis Hamilton.

  • josef salon
    josef salon

    Go home Lewis!!! All blame on you!!!

  • CatsoPouer
    CatsoPouer

    It was clearly Ericson

  • Mark Eagles
    Mark Eagles

    Great analysis, thanks!

  • terence table
    terence table

    ...and in the end Bottas will win the championship

  • Nick Brennan
    Nick Brennan

    You should ask yourself, over the course of both drivers careers which one has had the most on track incidents, and of those who was at fault the most?

  • Glen Sargent
    Glen Sargent

    It's redbulls fault for the very slow stop 🤣🤣

  • Melvyn Hiscott
    Melvyn Hiscott

    Max is very frustrating. In the 1st incident at turn 3 he was in front and so deliberately forced Lewis off the track. He did not give any room to Lewis. But in the 2nd incident Lewis was in front and could have done the same and force Max of the track and afterwards Max complains that Lewis did not give him room!! Max never backs out even when it is obvious that he is behind and cannot overtake. Lewis was in front and did nothing wrong!! I believe Max realised that the best scenario was to force Lewis to let him through or crash. Either scenario was an advantage to Max. Totally cynical.

  • Brian Catt
    Brian Catt

    Mad Max at Monza I din't care about either of them, just giant egos who are too detrmined to win whether their car is the best or not. I want the best car to win, not crash, by being faster, not because its driver takes bigger risks. Perhaps we should have them race by remote control with auto anti collision software? Lewis hit the Apex, Max tried to overtake entirely on the side of the track where was no where to drive safely. Deliberate, stupid. He then tried to force Lewis off the apex by threatening a crash - into the leading driver.. Just ban him, he's dangerous in the model of the equally dangerous Schumacher and Senna. Killers on the track, prepared to risk death ramming the better car to win. This is racing? They didn't dare do this when they could die. Perhaps F1 got too safe, so these over confident egotists do stupid things and expect to survive them. Make F1 less safe so they avoid collisions and the stuoid ones die "pur enciuragee les autres" to drive safely?? On this measure, Max is as daft as Grossjean, that was a full Grossjean manoeuvre. A stupid way to try to overtake and a crash was the only and obvious result of the move he decided to make. If that's modern F1 racing, it should be shut down, or the cars fitted with barge boards / fenders, roll cage and stock car racing kit. It doesn't deserve the technology that goes into it. The nonsense about being aggressive is simply red mist merchants justifying taking stupid risks. Grossjean style again. More care and caution is required to take care of these cars and discourage over aggressive racing. Either the cars are better than each other or they are not. If drivers have to crash such delicate cars with exposed suspensions and aerodynamics into each other to win it makes NO sense at all. That's the "too stupid to watch" touring car "racing", a demolition derby as to who can crash into the other guys and spin them off best and get away with it more often. If F1 goes that way then its no longer the cutting edge if technology, it's just Mad Max in overpriced kit, a stupid sport. Perhaps they could change F1 to a more stock car formula? The current dogem car generation of drivers would prefer that. Make the cars the same and see which driver can crash the others off the track more often. Right up the street of a Verstappen, Grossjean, Montoya, Schumacher, Senna. Unwatchable stupidity.

  • Winston Daniel
    Winston Daniel

    I don't understand why we analyse this incident. It is so obviously clear that Max deliberately collided with Lewis to take him out of the race when he is unable to overtake him. Nobody overtakes in a chicane unless if it is a street race. It is Max's fault. He deserves the grid penalty.

  • Jean Rivera
    Jean Rivera

    You say they are professional but they are human too and max carry the Frustration after the poor Redbull pitstop is time to Max grow up is time thanks God THE HALO 🙏🏼

  • Foxman01
    Foxman01

    You realy don't want to know what i think who was wrong and who was right. Le Clercq did the same as Max did and Lewis Hamilton let Jim live, Max did the same and Lewis Hamilton hit Jim. So who is fault. In my view Lewis Hamilton is. Didn't gave him room.

  • wiggit07
    wiggit07

    So because hamilton wasn't as aggressive as he should have been, it caused max to be more aggressive? What a terrible argument.

  • njgrplr2007
    njgrplr2007

    Both drivers contributed to the crash. Therefore, it is extremely unfair to penalize Max three spots in the next race without giving Lewis any penalty.

  • EJR
    EJR

    Using the example where max pushed him off was a good example but as he said the turn 1-2 is much tighter. If you look at the replay where lando norris overtook lewis in the same corner. With an simular situation lewis let lando have more space in turn 2 where it was fair.

  • Theo Bolt
    Theo Bolt

    From what you're saying I get the impression that LH wants two things at the same time: 1 pushing MV as much as he can to the run off and 2 keeping the line for a perfect apex in order to run away from MV after this corner. He forgot that MV doesn't want to be pushed and will push back! The result is what we all saw, LH's and MV's car having car sex.

  • David Houghton
    David Houghton

    Hmmm drivers are meant to leave space, Max never does but you continue to back drivers pushing others off the track

    • David Houghton
      David Houghton

      Max drives people off the track he’s applauded, Lewis does it and he gets mobbed. I just don’t get the double standards

  • Keith Powley
    Keith Powley

    I find it interesting the the stewards feel it necessary to assign a three place grid penalty to Max for a racing incident when previously in Silverstone, Lewis was clearly at fault and only received a 10 second penalty. Favoritism in Hamilton’s favor… again.

    • Stig10001
      Stig10001

      We'll ignore all the ducking, weaving and blocking that Verstappen was doing all the way round on that first lap. He was behaving like an idiot. There always was going to be a crash with him acting like that. The stewards said that Hamilton was*predominantly* at fault - that's the key. They thought Verstappen was to balme as well, but Hamilton more so. Obviously they decided this time that Verstappen was much more predominantly at fault.

  • Brian Stevenson
    Brian Stevenson

    There is no discussion is there. Just what the hell was Verstappen thinking, clearly there was never going to be room for a car to get thru the second turn, being kind I would have to say that was clear madness to even consider that move. I do not want to think that he deliberately took Hamilton out simply because he had a points advantage.

  • Dhr. M. Bovenlander
    Dhr. M. Bovenlander

    At the comment at 9:32 you are not really correct, because Hamilton was way of the apex at that point. Ther was still lots of room on the inside of the first corner. So he missed the apex exactly the same way as Verstappen, but less commited. I believe Hamilton pusht Verstappen of the track. The same way Norris en Perez at the Austrian Grandprix.

  • Hristijan Stojchevski
    Hristijan Stojchevski

    Everything you said is correct. But why no one is mentioning that lewis turned into the 2nd corner as if Max is not there. He didn't have the right to the corner, Max is there along side him, by FIA standars the car needs to be along side you with the nose at least over the middle of your car in order to earn a space. Lewis squeezed too late and he kept turning even when Max was pushed to the sausage kerb. I blame Lewis in this RACING INCIDENT, no penalites should have been applied.

  • dan
    dan

    Hammiltons fault

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